Heh… hope this makes sense. Also, for all the Jr. readers out there, ask your parents what that means, that’ll be a good laugh. >)
So anyways, it’s very interesting to me, this whole Forsaken thing. They have a very checkered and abused past with one very big and growing problem; their numbers are shrinking! Having been basically made from a freak accident, it seems that the only way to keep their species going is to make more of themselves. Well duh, that’s a given… And I’m confused as to whether or not they’ve tried it the old fashioned way. Maybe it doesn’t work that way for them. However, we’ve seen some quests and dialog here and there indicating this problem and what’s being done to fix it. Mostly with experiments on living creatures or stitching stuff together… And there that whole thing now with them getting some Val’kyl on their side to resurrect dead soldiers to repopulate their kind… doesn’t help their case that they’ve been a little, um, over zealous with their methods of producing “viable candidates”. If you know what I mean… No? Yeah, they kills people to make new people? Something like that. These are more or less assumptions on my part, though I have to say, I think the Forsaken needs to get some “non humans” in their ranks. Come on! I want my Undead Tauren dangnabbit!
Anywho, this poses a very interesting question… How far is to far when trying to propagate your species? Should nature take its course? Should they do everything within their power to repopulate their kind? Or is there some middle ground? I know the Forsaken aren’t exactly the easiest race to get along with, but they are a, um, “living?” creature that I think deserves a fair shake. Think about it this way… What if the tables were turned? What would you do? What lengths would (or wouldn’t) you go through to keep your entire species alive? It really reminds me of the kind of stress and fear caused in the move Children of Men (excellent movie btw, sad… very sad, but good). Same thing, all of a sudden, people couldn’t reproduce and it caused absolute panic and chaos. So Just imagine what the Forsaken are going through. Every time they are asked to go to war for the Horde (before the Val’kyl showed up), it meant the total population of your entire species went down by the number of warriors that fell. That’s pretty harsh!
So let me leave you with some words to think about… From a fictional character from Red vs Blue:
“It is an undeniable and may I say fundamental quality of man that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable.”
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I think using corpses from tauren would bring the forsaken would case more distrust in the forsaken then there already is
and why are they attacking gilneas again?
I get the rest of lorderon but gineas?
And i think coffin should be in that room! He is undead ist he? OR is he?…………………………..
Ok i typed that literly a minuate ago your fast
probably cause of the top hats…
idk actually… goooood question though. hmm…
Inc lore nerd:
The forsaken want all of Lorderon, reasoning most of them were there in life so should they be in death. In gilneas they can get:
A suitable harbor and attack point for Tol Barad
Mines, living lumber, healthier fish
And tailored to the undead specifically: bodies.
Generations of gilneans lived and died there so undercity can have another source. Currently they are digging up the graves somehow passed over by the lich king and using val’kyr to raise them. The number of bodies is finite.
Boiled down, they do it out of pride and practicality.
hey! don’t you dare bad mouth my [Sickly Fish]! thems is good eatin! lol, my guild probably hates me cause I ALWAYS add one to the guild bank! XD
does seem practical to use the already dead bodies. I mean… not like they’re doing anything for anybody at the moment… but “making” some freshly dead bodies is another story. don’t know if the Val’kyr have shown up in their advances on Gilneas, but I think the tone of how we view them would change should those things accompany their armies.
Your sickly fish are fine, but the rest of the horde couldn’t eat them was my point.
And as for val’kyr raisings in gilneas:
Baron Ashbury
Lord Walden
Lord Godfrey
Who are the notable ones.
The view of the foresaken has already been drastically changed by the val’kyr; they were deployed at the battle of Andoral where they raised alliance soldiers and farmers against Thassarian and the alliance player. The alliance ultimately loses this battle because of it.
True dat. And not to mention that because Gilneas serves as an Alliance stronghold in the north of the continent, it compromises the Forsaken (and therefore Horde) presence in the Eastern Kingdoms.
I also agree that the Forsaken are an almost tragic race. Despised and feared by all for being reminders of the Scourge, little wonder that they flocked to Sylvanas who has gone to great lengths for “her people”, even if it was driven by obsessive hatred. Now that Sylvanas has lost her impulsive (no pun intended) desire for revenge against Arthas, I’m kinda glad that see has Crowley (more or less her strategic equal) and the Worgen are there to keep her personally occupied…
Oh, and there’s still Tauren DKs :D
I feel really bad for them. A new race of people, instantly hated, and unable to propagate their kind without questionable methods… it can’t be easy.
Dks… I uh… still don’t know about them right now… seems like a bit of a timeline problem. I know Blizz doesn’t care much about how progression works in a time sense (because really, it would be a pain to fix), the whole thing seems weird to me. Like Outlands!
Actually, Blizz can fix EVERYTHING so easily!!! All they have to do is get those time dragon folk to come in at certain points before you head off to Outlands or Northrend or make a DK or anything that breaks continuity and basically say “oh yeah, btw, we kinda screwed up the space time thingy when we tried to… uh… never mind. anyways, you have to go back in time and play this out or else bad things happen… here’s your flux capacitor. good luck! and try not to step on any butterflies or anything!”
Not too shabby huh? Hmm… this actually gives me a great idea for a comic! stay tuned!!! >D
Well- considering they are already dead, and we have nice priests and druids to go resurrect them- their population should never dwindle (as long as the fetch the bodies). They’d just reattach any body part that were chopped off, res them, and go about their normal business.
Of course, technically this means that every person in WoW should be basically immortal, but thats a discussion for another time.
Only problem with that is we have to kinda separate player and npc worlds… cause we can rez players… npcs… not so much. though the quest givers and such do have a way of respawning… hmm. err anyways, I think in the “wowverse” everybody is mortal since certain important figures tend to die off.
but you bring up a good point about reattachment. they can make stitched up monsters and even stitch themselves up… so can you really kill them (the undead)? like, how effective is stabbing someone who’s already missing a jaw, skin, eyes, and well, most other organs. so those undead who fall in battle, wouldn’t they just pop their parts back together and go on their merry way?
Oh well we know already that not much can stop Blizz from breaking the lore, so I wouldn’t be suprised if they turned around and said “Nozzy did it!”
Incidently I am interested in whether there will come a time (in the game and timeline’s future) for Old Nozdormu to wake up, smell the coffee and stop screwing things over with that Infinite dragonflight of his…(First Blue, then Black…which colour’s going to be next?)
And if that fails? Set Chromie on the case to put things right ;)
*Imagines Quantum Leap spoof*
heh… quantum leap spoof indeed! >D
I think they should use every method they can, all of the ones stated. They cant exactly kill every living thing, as that would mean they all die as well, but they should use science, donations, and conversion
hmm, the “diverse portfolio” method, eh? I like it!